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		<title>By: Continental Philosophy in London &#171; Hyper tiling</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 11:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] managed to keep philosophy alive in Middlesex (at least, for the time being). It seems that the somewhat controversial &#8216;split&#8217; between him and the other members of the CRMEP generated a profitable situation for philosophers in [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Cahiers pour L&#8217;Analyse &#124; Transcissions</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] now at Kingston. The recent events concerning the closure of philosophy at Middlesex and the relocation of the CRMEP to Kingston leave me ambivalent, as do the invitation at the Cahiers website to send suggestions or corrections [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now at Kingston. The recent events concerning the closure of philosophy at Middlesex and the relocation of the CRMEP to Kingston leave me ambivalent, as do the invitation at the Cahiers website to send suggestions or corrections [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Reynolds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read this discussion with interest in thinking through a piece on academic politics and philosophy, and would make a few comments:
1. Unless you have been involved in a dispute or two and genuinely felt you are vulnerable, it is impossible to imagine the level of stress and the extent to which practicing what you preach becomes difficult. Practicial politics is full of messy compromises and hanging people ideologically is often a comfortable process done by those in less precarious situations. So lets not easily (and I stress easily) condemn by ideological standard. 

That said, pragmatism and self-interest, unchecked and disciplined by a sense of ideology and vision, particularly when done by people who formulate and propogate such positions very publically in their intellectual output, seems to say the least disappointing - integrity comes from the balance of pragmatism and ideology in the moment of struggle, and part of that is deciding to sustain the pressure on yourself for the common good - and if you cannot practice quite what you preach, issues of trust and credibility - politically and intellectually - become apparent. 

2. Christian Kerslake says &#039;Mark Kelly and I both found out about the move to Kingston on the same day as everybody else, and we were not consulted about it at any point.&#039; If this is the case I would make two points. Whether its Che Guevara or the most &#039;gung ho&#039; US marine - ideology aside - you don&#039;t leave your comrades on the ground. Solidarity, common trust and respect demand you show loyalty, and this will be incredibly important in the politics of universities in the next couple of years, as it is in all trade struggles. Many would argue such a burden sits greater with the more senior and so more potentially more powerful members of a community. 

Given what Christian says, I think most of those who supported the Middlesex campaign - acknowledged as being significant - would have had a different and less sympathetic view if they had known there was a &#039;lifeboat strategy&#039; being formulated that involved leaving more junior colleagues on deck. It would be useful to know more about when the discussion of movement began amongst the &#039;select group&#039; and how it was conducted, but there seems no excuse - none - for running a generic save Middlesex/philosophy campaign whilst having an undisclosed &#039;exit strategy&#039; developed and unstated. There are hard words for such activity. No demands of pragmatism adequately compensate for it and one wonders how you reconcile &#039;no university would take all of us&#039; with some of those left behind not knowing that such a case was being made. Its seems, unless factually contradicted, an incredibly sad state of affairs for which conscience and politics seem not to have dictated action (and that is notwithstanding whether, as Christian says, he&#039;d have wanted to move or not).  

3. There is a suggestion that the move by the &#039;select group&#039; allows the struggle to be conitnued from the distance. I also note Christian&#039;s discussion points 2 and 3 about the politics of the struggle within Middlesex and the previous record elsewhere of turning back management decisions. I think whether there would have been a successful campaign if all had stayed is deeply questionable and individual merits in every case play a part - Middlesex is not Liverpool. There is, however, one thing I am absolutely sure about. Leaving, splitting solidarity and locating elswhere does not bolster, add or increase the power of support in any way to any campaign or struggle, and it is somewhat naive or unjust to say so. Taking it to the brink at Middlesex may have resulted in losses, but you cannot dress leaving as the politically mature thing to do, even if one of those left behind now appears to have secured temporary security. Speaking to truth involves not spinning everything you have done as the &#039;right&#039; move - sometimes it involves saying &#039;we know by doing this we have brought about negative consequences for others and we&#039;re sorry&#039;. 

3. Much is made of looking at this in the broader view of saving continental philosophy through preservation of the research centre. Of course, that has its merits, but if the issue of philosophy is raised, I find myself wondering how Derrida would have read this, or Foucault, or how Badiou or Ranciere would read this sort of politics. I am fairly sure how Gramsci would read it. The point is, you don&#039;t save ideas by actions that do not embody the ideas, make them real in human conduct. You make them phantasms, illusions, by breaking with them in the practical political settings. What exactly are we saving? scholarship as measured by the REF or a particular nexus of research outputs? Is that saving philosophy, or its relevance in everyday lives? 

My real fear is that such lessons as are coming out from this sort of discussion are not learned. If universities are not to become (if they are not already) &#039;skills&#039; factories run on market grounds, its essential we resist the temptation to embrace the market any more than we have, and important we are honest in the compromises we make. We are only going to do this by solidarity, mutual ethically based respect in our conduct and honesty in speaking truth with each other. I do not think the Middlesex campaign, when its underbelly is exposed, meets those criteria. I do not think the best political strategy is either General Custers or retreat at the first skirmish, but I think we start by acting collectively and in solidarity and with honesty and so trust. If I were Christian Kerslake, suspended with colleagues but not apparently to share their exit - I am not sure I could have written a mail with such reconciliation in it and if were one of those whose statement heads this list of comments, I would be asking whether the triumphalist  nature of the statement is quite so appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this discussion with interest in thinking through a piece on academic politics and philosophy, and would make a few comments:<br />
1. Unless you have been involved in a dispute or two and genuinely felt you are vulnerable, it is impossible to imagine the level of stress and the extent to which practicing what you preach becomes difficult. Practicial politics is full of messy compromises and hanging people ideologically is often a comfortable process done by those in less precarious situations. So lets not easily (and I stress easily) condemn by ideological standard. </p>
<p>That said, pragmatism and self-interest, unchecked and disciplined by a sense of ideology and vision, particularly when done by people who formulate and propogate such positions very publically in their intellectual output, seems to say the least disappointing &#8211; integrity comes from the balance of pragmatism and ideology in the moment of struggle, and part of that is deciding to sustain the pressure on yourself for the common good &#8211; and if you cannot practice quite what you preach, issues of trust and credibility &#8211; politically and intellectually &#8211; become apparent. </p>
<p>2. Christian Kerslake says &#8216;Mark Kelly and I both found out about the move to Kingston on the same day as everybody else, and we were not consulted about it at any point.&#8217; If this is the case I would make two points. Whether its Che Guevara or the most &#8216;gung ho&#8217; US marine &#8211; ideology aside &#8211; you don&#8217;t leave your comrades on the ground. Solidarity, common trust and respect demand you show loyalty, and this will be incredibly important in the politics of universities in the next couple of years, as it is in all trade struggles. Many would argue such a burden sits greater with the more senior and so more potentially more powerful members of a community. </p>
<p>Given what Christian says, I think most of those who supported the Middlesex campaign &#8211; acknowledged as being significant &#8211; would have had a different and less sympathetic view if they had known there was a &#8216;lifeboat strategy&#8217; being formulated that involved leaving more junior colleagues on deck. It would be useful to know more about when the discussion of movement began amongst the &#8216;select group&#8217; and how it was conducted, but there seems no excuse &#8211; none &#8211; for running a generic save Middlesex/philosophy campaign whilst having an undisclosed &#8216;exit strategy&#8217; developed and unstated. There are hard words for such activity. No demands of pragmatism adequately compensate for it and one wonders how you reconcile &#8216;no university would take all of us&#8217; with some of those left behind not knowing that such a case was being made. Its seems, unless factually contradicted, an incredibly sad state of affairs for which conscience and politics seem not to have dictated action (and that is notwithstanding whether, as Christian says, he&#8217;d have wanted to move or not).  </p>
<p>3. There is a suggestion that the move by the &#8216;select group&#8217; allows the struggle to be conitnued from the distance. I also note Christian&#8217;s discussion points 2 and 3 about the politics of the struggle within Middlesex and the previous record elsewhere of turning back management decisions. I think whether there would have been a successful campaign if all had stayed is deeply questionable and individual merits in every case play a part &#8211; Middlesex is not Liverpool. There is, however, one thing I am absolutely sure about. Leaving, splitting solidarity and locating elswhere does not bolster, add or increase the power of support in any way to any campaign or struggle, and it is somewhat naive or unjust to say so. Taking it to the brink at Middlesex may have resulted in losses, but you cannot dress leaving as the politically mature thing to do, even if one of those left behind now appears to have secured temporary security. Speaking to truth involves not spinning everything you have done as the &#8216;right&#8217; move &#8211; sometimes it involves saying &#8216;we know by doing this we have brought about negative consequences for others and we&#8217;re sorry&#8217;. </p>
<p>3. Much is made of looking at this in the broader view of saving continental philosophy through preservation of the research centre. Of course, that has its merits, but if the issue of philosophy is raised, I find myself wondering how Derrida would have read this, or Foucault, or how Badiou or Ranciere would read this sort of politics. I am fairly sure how Gramsci would read it. The point is, you don&#8217;t save ideas by actions that do not embody the ideas, make them real in human conduct. You make them phantasms, illusions, by breaking with them in the practical political settings. What exactly are we saving? scholarship as measured by the REF or a particular nexus of research outputs? Is that saving philosophy, or its relevance in everyday lives? </p>
<p>My real fear is that such lessons as are coming out from this sort of discussion are not learned. If universities are not to become (if they are not already) &#8216;skills&#8217; factories run on market grounds, its essential we resist the temptation to embrace the market any more than we have, and important we are honest in the compromises we make. We are only going to do this by solidarity, mutual ethically based respect in our conduct and honesty in speaking truth with each other. I do not think the Middlesex campaign, when its underbelly is exposed, meets those criteria. I do not think the best political strategy is either General Custers or retreat at the first skirmish, but I think we start by acting collectively and in solidarity and with honesty and so trust. If I were Christian Kerslake, suspended with colleagues but not apparently to share their exit &#8211; I am not sure I could have written a mail with such reconciliation in it and if were one of those whose statement heads this list of comments, I would be asking whether the triumphalist  nature of the statement is quite so appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Broke-Ass Schools: The last Middlesex U-or Kingston U-Philosophy update &#171; Post Academic</title>
		<link>http://savemdxphil.com/2010/06/08/announcement-8-june-the-crmep-is-moving-to-kingston-university/#comment-1055</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Middlesex Philosophy: &#171; subtext2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a point of information, I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; &#039;full time&#039;: the CRMEP has/had &lt;i&gt;six&lt;/i&gt; &#039;full-time members&#039;.  I don&#039;t disagree, of course, that I am much more junior than Christian, in age, scholarship, time at Middlesex, and time in the academy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a point of information, I <i>am</i> &#8216;full time&#8217;: the CRMEP has/had <i>six</i> &#8216;full-time members&#8217;.  I don&#8217;t disagree, of course, that I am much more junior than Christian, in age, scholarship, time at Middlesex, and time in the academy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair point. For what it’s worth, I had in mind a central tenet of Hallward’s “politics of prescription”, e.g. “A decision will have been right, a project will have held true ... prescription must initially be conjugated in that future anterior championed by Robespierre and Fanon”, or in its Sartrean version: “first you commit, then you explore the limits of what this commitment allows you to do”. But yes, you’re right, since the decision in this case was more nakedly pragmatic than rigorously prescriptive, my appeal to the “will have been” defense is arguably more Blairite than Fanonite. I also take your original point that “the wider campaign” may have been “undermined by this move” - i.e. more limited in what it may have otherwise been allowed to do. But again, we shall see. Those who have reacted negatively to the outcome this time may be less inclined to sign up next time; on the other hand, those who have judged it on-balance positive may well intensify their contribution to the next fight, perhaps in part to justify, “in the future anterior”, their judgment on this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point. For what it’s worth, I had in mind a central tenet of Hallward’s “politics of prescription”, e.g. “A decision will have been right, a project will have held true &#8230; prescription must initially be conjugated in that future anterior championed by Robespierre and Fanon”, or in its Sartrean version: “first you commit, then you explore the limits of what this commitment allows you to do”. But yes, you’re right, since the decision in this case was more nakedly pragmatic than rigorously prescriptive, my appeal to the “will have been” defense is arguably more Blairite than Fanonite. I also take your original point that “the wider campaign” may have been “undermined by this move” &#8211; i.e. more limited in what it may have otherwise been allowed to do. But again, we shall see. Those who have reacted negatively to the outcome this time may be less inclined to sign up next time; on the other hand, those who have judged it on-balance positive may well intensify their contribution to the next fight, perhaps in part to justify, “in the future anterior”, their judgment on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ida Hajdari</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ida Hajdari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I meant by &quot;just politics&quot; is this notion that there is a sort of autonomous or self-regulating realm of the political that one can either participate in or not participate in. That&#039;s what I don&#039;t believe to be the case; on the contrary, it is politics that thoroughly permeates every other realm of our lives, from the bedroom to the office, the university, etc. In the case of Middlesex, one could say that the philosophy department was doing politics long before the camapign started, for instance by making a point of opening up philosophy to people who have traditionally been excluded from its study. There is no question, however, that the campaign, unlike the more quiet work that the department has been doing for years, represented a political event, which is why it was so important that it was handled well. That the tone of the campaign, its aims, the way it was handled, and its achievements would be weighed against what the department has historically stood and worked for was inevitable. This doesn&#039;t strike me as counter-productive either. The outcomes of the campaign so far do not measure up either to the tone of the campaign, or its aims, or what the department has historically stood for. That the CRMEP continues to exist is a good thing, whether this represents a victory in the broader scheme of things is doubtful. You say that it might be useful to accept it as a partial victory of sorts, especially given Peter Hallward&#039;s claim that the campaign will continue. I cannot help but wonder what the aims of this second phase of the campaign are though, apart from the short-term goal of reversing the suspensions.  Like yourself, I do hope the campaign continues, and that its aims do not change: to reinstate the undergraduate philosophy programme at Middlesex and thus make Middlesex an example of successful fight backs in HE cuts. I do not think, however, that Hallward, who has so often spoken on behalf of the campaign, or any of the other members of staff involved in the move are the most suitable persons for a leading role in this second phase. If the campaign is to focus on philosophy at Middlesex, then it must be faculty and students at Middlesex, not Kignston, who must take the torch. More politics indeed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I meant by &#8220;just politics&#8221; is this notion that there is a sort of autonomous or self-regulating realm of the political that one can either participate in or not participate in. That&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t believe to be the case; on the contrary, it is politics that thoroughly permeates every other realm of our lives, from the bedroom to the office, the university, etc. In the case of Middlesex, one could say that the philosophy department was doing politics long before the camapign started, for instance by making a point of opening up philosophy to people who have traditionally been excluded from its study. There is no question, however, that the campaign, unlike the more quiet work that the department has been doing for years, represented a political event, which is why it was so important that it was handled well. That the tone of the campaign, its aims, the way it was handled, and its achievements would be weighed against what the department has historically stood and worked for was inevitable. This doesn&#8217;t strike me as counter-productive either. The outcomes of the campaign so far do not measure up either to the tone of the campaign, or its aims, or what the department has historically stood for. That the CRMEP continues to exist is a good thing, whether this represents a victory in the broader scheme of things is doubtful. You say that it might be useful to accept it as a partial victory of sorts, especially given Peter Hallward&#8217;s claim that the campaign will continue. I cannot help but wonder what the aims of this second phase of the campaign are though, apart from the short-term goal of reversing the suspensions.  Like yourself, I do hope the campaign continues, and that its aims do not change: to reinstate the undergraduate philosophy programme at Middlesex and thus make Middlesex an example of successful fight backs in HE cuts. I do not think, however, that Hallward, who has so often spoken on behalf of the campaign, or any of the other members of staff involved in the move are the most suitable persons for a leading role in this second phase. If the campaign is to focus on philosophy at Middlesex, then it must be faculty and students at Middlesex, not Kignston, who must take the torch. More politics indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Perc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, the phrase &quot;just politics&quot; begs the question of what politics is, but that is another point.  However, clearly whatever this situation is and is not it is in some part &#039;politics&#039;.  (That isn&#039;t such a dirty word is it?  Would it be disgraceful to be &#039;doing politics&#039; - whatever that means?)  &quot;Just politics&quot; of course implies something rather apolitical - disinterested pragmatism in the rather neoliberal sense of institutional/managerial &#039;politics&#039;.  I hope this politics is more than that; but, equally, I hope it is, in fact, politics.  Politics is what is needed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the phrase &#8220;just politics&#8221; begs the question of what politics is, but that is another point.  However, clearly whatever this situation is and is not it is in some part &#8216;politics&#8217;.  (That isn&#8217;t such a dirty word is it?  Would it be disgraceful to be &#8216;doing politics&#8217; &#8211; whatever that means?)  &#8220;Just politics&#8221; of course implies something rather apolitical &#8211; disinterested pragmatism in the rather neoliberal sense of institutional/managerial &#8216;politics&#8217;.  I hope this politics is more than that; but, equally, I hope it is, in fact, politics.  Politics is what is needed!</p>
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		<title>By: never trust anyone over 30 (mk 2): mdx &#171; ads without products</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I imagine this is bound to be an unpopular post, but oh well. Go look at Christian Kerslake&#8217;s comment on the Save Middlesex Philosophy blog, and then go look back at another one of my rather unpopular [...]]]></description>
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